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WolfgangW
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2020-09-19 4:09 pm  

@frogandtoad

Hi

I couldn't say better, indeed I couldn't explain it in English at all. It is just not good enough. Even though, it was not easy to read, but I understand and ... you are right.

Nevertheless - I think you could agree with me on this - if I explain it to someone without this background, they will understand as much as before.
It was not my intention to spread half-truths here, but rather to say in simple words, which may then be easier to understand.

If you deep enough inside programming, you have to know. But I think someone who do this not as a professional, can quickly feel overwhelmed with such an explanation.

@codecage

I apologize if this gives you the wrong impression. 

Wolfgang

 

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codecage
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2020-09-19 9:17 pm  

@wolfgangw

I'm fine with both your statements and those of @frogandtoad as I understand what both of you are meaning.  But I would have to concede that someone just getting started in programming, especially C and its variants, always seem to get lost with pointers and the constructs like '*label' and '&label' and passing values by reference.  Me included and I took several C courses with my major in college.

SteveG


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WolfgangW
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2020-09-19 9:41 pm  

@codecage

Hi Steve,

glad to know you understand what I tried to do.  @frogandtoad is absolutely right in the way how he said.
I sometimes help people about how to get into C#. Let's say 10 people come to 1st lesson. If I always explain in  @frogandtoad 's way, next time only 5 coming.
I try to tell people there is more deep in that, but for getting into that matter, which is sure not only a little, I have to use easy words.

Sorry  @frogandtoad but the way you explaind, even it is true and correct and I can not deny anything you said, but in my understanding I would talk like this to someone who is really deep inside, or if I want someone just to be quiet.

@digidug80 is the one who asked for help as someone who is really understanding.

When I think back to the time more than 30 years ago and when the GW-Basic at that time reached its limits, I was aware that I had to learn a new language.
Back then it was still something for the absolute exotic. I've read a lot about Pascal and C in magazines. Very few people knew C ++ back then. Whenever anything was published about C, it was obscure and cryptic. I honestly hated it and even now there is still no friendship that I feel with C or C ++.
So when I think back to that time, I prefer to take a path where I try to express myself in words that are as understandable as possible.
I then often knowingly accept that these statements serve more for understanding than for lexical correctness.
And I guess I'll probably never do it any other way. But thank you @frogandtoad. I think because of using my way I often forget, to explain the deep. You still right.

🥀 friends? (sorry man I was looking for emoji for handshake, but there is none)

Wolfgang

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frogandtoad
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2020-09-20 2:54 pm  

@wolfgangw

Posted by: @wolfgangw

Hi

I couldn't say better, indeed I couldn't explain it in English at all. It is just not good enough. Even though, it was not easy to read, but I understand and ... you are right.

No problem, it was because of your English I felt that I needed to make the clarification.  Sometimes we know what we want to say, but it doesn't come out quite right.  I'm glad that you didn't get upset, because that was never my intention... I simply didn't want the newbies reading here to walk away without clarifying, because I believe that accuracy and terminology is very important when learning.

Cheers.


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