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2022-03-10 5:08 am
I finally got a Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB NVMe M.2 Internal SSD (MZ-V7S500/AM) [Canada Version] and an external case but the drive does not boot properly on my Pi4B-4GB. On the Mac just using it for storage it is super fast (10GBPS) since I have Thunderbolt 4 (40GBPS) . I tried 64 bit os, 32 bit, and even updated the EEPROM but the boot hangs at different points. At this point it is a somewhat pricey USB stick. I am hoping the Pi500 will have a proper M.2 NVMe adapter as that seems like the next step.
I also think I discovered that only the lower USB3 port boots properly but I tried so many combinations today I could be mistaken.
If anyone has either got it working, or knows for sure it can't I would like to hear from you. I normally boot from a KingSpec 512GB SSD that the Swiss Guy recommended but it is only 5GBPS.
Here is what I got
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07M7Q21N7/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07RZBTNTN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
TIA
First computer 1959. Retired from my own computer company 2004.
Hardware - Expert in 1401, and 360, fairly knowledge in PC plus numerous MPU's and MCU's
Major Languages - Machine language, 360 Macro Assembler, Intel Assembler, PL/I and PL1, Pascal, Basic, C plus numerous job control and scripting languages.
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2022-03-10 5:53 am
I finally got a Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB NVMe M.2 Internal SSD (MZ-V7S500/AM) [Canada Version] and an external case but the drive does not boot properly on my Pi4B-4GB.
[snipt]
If anyone has either got it working, or knows for sure it can't I would like to hear from you. I normally boot from a KingSpec 512GB SSD that the Swiss Guy recommended but it is only 5GBPS.
Have you seen this article ?
https://alexellisuk.medium.com/upgrade-your-raspberry-pi-4-with-a-nvme-boot-drive-d9ab4e8aa3c2
Anything seems possible when you don't know what you're talking about.
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2022-03-10 6:49 am
@will I was on that site earlier for a specific reason which led me to upgrade the EEPROM. What this tells me is my drive is busticated!
I notice on reading more that he uses dd to flash the drive whereas I used the standard Raspberry Pi Imager. I can't see it making a difference but will give it a try.
First computer 1959. Retired from my own computer company 2004.
Hardware - Expert in 1401, and 360, fairly knowledge in PC plus numerous MPU's and MCU's
Major Languages - Machine language, 360 Macro Assembler, Intel Assembler, PL/I and PL1, Pascal, Basic, C plus numerous job control and scripting languages.
Sure you can learn to be a programmer, it will take the same amount of time for me to learn to be a Doctor.
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2022-03-10 7:03 am
@will Looking at that article some more I am puzzled by the non-standard procedures and have no idea how to prepare a boot.txt file. I have never done that on any of the dozens of Rpi boot disks or cards. What I will try is to dd my working SSD to this new SSD. They are both the same size so I don't need to do anything special. I can't see any reason it will be different than the standard procedure but at the moment I have a somewhat expensive SSD. It works fine other than booting, and is super fast. Obviously there is more going on here with USB boot than I am aware of.
First computer 1959. Retired from my own computer company 2004.
Hardware - Expert in 1401, and 360, fairly knowledge in PC plus numerous MPU's and MCU's
Major Languages - Machine language, 360 Macro Assembler, Intel Assembler, PL/I and PL1, Pascal, Basic, C plus numerous job control and scripting languages.
Sure you can learn to be a programmer, it will take the same amount of time for me to learn to be a Doctor.
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2022-03-10 7:39 am
I had a similar problem with a different NVMe M.2 Internal SSD and case. It worked fine on one of my rpi 4's when plugged into the USB3 port, but just would not boot on another. So I tried plugging the SSD card into a powered USB hub (that was plugged into the reluctant pi) ... still not working... but then I tried it plugged into an older powered USB hub I had, and everything works perfectly.
So in my case the issues were related to the power supply to the SSD drive/case and that not all powered USB hubs are equal. (and not all rpi 4's are equal). Indeed I remember reading something about this so you will probably get more good information with a google on rpi powered USB3 hubs and SSD boot issues.
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2022-03-10 2:36 pm
@byron Thank you, that sounds like a good possibility since I also have a pair of 8TB HDD's plugged into the other USB3 port. I just got a week ago a latest gen powered USB hub for my Mac Raid drive so I will borrow that and see what happens.
First computer 1959. Retired from my own computer company 2004.
Hardware - Expert in 1401, and 360, fairly knowledge in PC plus numerous MPU's and MCU's
Major Languages - Machine language, 360 Macro Assembler, Intel Assembler, PL/I and PL1, Pascal, Basic, C plus numerous job control and scripting languages.
Sure you can learn to be a programmer, it will take the same amount of time for me to learn to be a Doctor.
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2022-03-10 7:02 pm
I have been using an ArgonOne m.2 case with an installed WD 500GB SATA drive with my RPi4 / 8GB, running RPi OS Buster for about six months now. I had no problems getting it to boot up the first time and it has run fine since then. I will mention that I changed out the power supply for the RPi to a 5V / 4A one, as suggested in one of the articles I read about upgrading (sorry, I don’t remember which one). Seems having a good power source has been a continuing problem with using these drives/cases. Must say, I love booting from and using the USB rather than the SD card. Good luck.
Regards, Lee
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2022-03-10 7:34 pm
@lee-g I tried a powered hub and nothing. I am going to redo the pi imager just in case the SSD got damaged by powering off. I found the Argon ONE M.2 but out of stock at the PiShop and $87CDN on amazon.ca. I also found an Argon charger but 3.5A/18W. Is yours 20W? Since I have used it successfully on my Mac, I am inclined to believe the SSD is ok, but somehow the Pi is flaky. I have a 2nd Pi4B-4G, so I will try swapping that.
First computer 1959. Retired from my own computer company 2004.
Hardware - Expert in 1401, and 360, fairly knowledge in PC plus numerous MPU's and MCU's
Major Languages - Machine language, 360 Macro Assembler, Intel Assembler, PL/I and PL1, Pascal, Basic, C plus numerous job control and scripting languages.
Sure you can learn to be a programmer, it will take the same amount of time for me to learn to be a Doctor.
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2022-03-10 8:00 pm
@lee-g The other Pi worked great after I saw the error about the wrong USB3 port. Plugged in identical to the other Pi and no work. Now I am going to try changing the cmdline.txt file to remove splash so I can see the messages in case I got confused over which USB 3.
First computer 1959. Retired from my own computer company 2004.
Hardware - Expert in 1401, and 360, fairly knowledge in PC plus numerous MPU's and MCU's
Major Languages - Machine language, 360 Macro Assembler, Intel Assembler, PL/I and PL1, Pascal, Basic, C plus numerous job control and scripting languages.
Sure you can learn to be a programmer, it will take the same amount of time for me to learn to be a Doctor.
Topic starter
2022-03-10 8:06 pm
Got it. The powered hub must have fixed it once I plugged everything into the right places. Can you tell me the brand name on the wall wart you have that is 4A?
First computer 1959. Retired from my own computer company 2004.
Hardware - Expert in 1401, and 360, fairly knowledge in PC plus numerous MPU's and MCU's
Major Languages - Machine language, 360 Macro Assembler, Intel Assembler, PL/I and PL1, Pascal, Basic, C plus numerous job control and scripting languages.
Sure you can learn to be a programmer, it will take the same amount of time for me to learn to be a Doctor.
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2022-03-10 10:53 pm
@lee-g I measured the current the SSD uses and it's about .5A so 3.5 is the minimum needed. I have a powered hub with a powered USB port that the SSD is connected to so my existing 3A charger is ok. Also the 2 8TG raid array is also powered so no problems there either. Thanks for solving this mystery for me, I doubt I would have figured that out by myself.
OOPS, I neglected to thank @byron who was the first to mention the powered USB hub solution.
First computer 1959. Retired from my own computer company 2004.
Hardware - Expert in 1401, and 360, fairly knowledge in PC plus numerous MPU's and MCU's
Major Languages - Machine language, 360 Macro Assembler, Intel Assembler, PL/I and PL1, Pascal, Basic, C plus numerous job control and scripting languages.
Sure you can learn to be a programmer, it will take the same amount of time for me to learn to be a Doctor.