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(@winston65)
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I have no idea if this the correct place to post this. If it is not Admin please delete. First many thanks to Dronebot. With him I would never gotten the app installed. My problem:

I come from many decades Windows use. I know just enough linux to be dangerous. After successful install, I found myself looking at setup menu that I had no what it meant.

I can't find a users guide, nor is there a help menu. I want to know more and use the app, but don't know where to look. Is there a source of info for very green users?


   
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Hi if need more information on raspi w go the web site ,  raspberrypi@.org.com

Go learn or project page if search around on this page it's got lots of information

Raspi pi pico . Book for ten pounds or download for free at 

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/rp2040/getting-started/

If you download motioneye burn the image file to sd card to get it go on wifi you edit the config file.. but just buy ethernet adapter and plug it into router and log in to motioneye admin is the username 

No password leve blank 

You can turn on  the wifi and setup a static IP address  inside motioneye 

See YouTube videos how edit it.

Hope this has been helpful. Good luck 


   
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Posted by: @videogame95

Raspi pi pico . Book for ten pounds or download for free at 

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/rp2040/getting-started/

Actually, that is a link for the Pi Pico. I believe that @winston65 was referring to the Pi Zero. Plus, I have no idea how you'd run MotionEyeOS on a Pico, as it has no camera interface.

I did a video several years ago on using MotionEyeOS, the build has changed now but the principles are the same - you just get the image, burn it to a MicroSD and follow instructions to configure it.

The MotionEyeOs Wiki is the place to go for setup information.  You might also want to check out the section devoted to the Pi Zero and Model A, as both those machines have limited resources there are a few instructions for solving common glitches.

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I'm in the process of trying to set up CCTV in my house using Pi Zeros for remote cameras, and a Pi 4 for the hub. I need a mixture of Wi-Fi and Ethernet connections to do this, due to all the thick stone walls in my house. I haven't got all the answers yet, but will hopefully know more soon.

So far I've just got a Pi Zero with Ethernet on a USB hub working, and it's very slow. I've got an ENC28J60 Ethernet board to try, that uses SPI, so I'm hoping it might be faster. I don't have Wi-Fi in my work room, apart from using a computer as an access point, so building and setting up Wi-Fi cameras is more complicated than it should be.

Then I want to try adding some ESP32-CAMs, but I'm not sure if the motion detection will work with them.

I bought some of these dummy cameras ( https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265104440104 ). There is plenty of room inside for a Pi Zero and camera. With a bit of alteration it will take a Pi camera with IR lamps attached, but I haven't performed the necessary surgery yet! Again it's untested, so I hope it will work.

My main concern is providing power for the cameras. I don't want to have to keep changing and charging a lot of batteries. This is a useful video on running a Pi on batteries -


   
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In the Youtube video at 36:44 Bill says that a wpa_supplicant.conf file is in the articles and can be downloaded. I'm such a newbie I don't see it anywhere. I'm left trying to create it. This takes me out of my league because I'm using a windows PC and trying to get this file on to the SD card for my raspberry pi 3. I can't access the card in the card reader, it just wants to format it first. I'm thinking I will just get a piece of CAT 5 cable and connect to the router like he did. But I should learn how to get the Wifi working. Maybe you can only edit the wpasupplicant.conf file after its flashed but before it's ever been booted? Try again latter. 

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@brent13335 When you flash the SD card with the OS usig the Raspberry Pi imager, it will let you set up the wpa supplicant file and the rest of the headless environment. You can still use an attached kbd and mouse as well or instead of.

Do you know about Ethernet POE? I just got a special router ($23 CDN) plus the Pi adapter for my astronomy camera on the balcony using a Pi4. I also have the POE adapter for a Pi 0.

YES, Windows has to format the card first, then put the distro on the card but see above for a short cut, then use any editor to create the wpa_supplicant. The Pi web site has detailed instructions if mine are not clear.

Here is a site with good instructions. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/raspberry-pi-headless-setup-how-to,6028.html

 

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@john_b I used to have a few store bought cameras around my RV, the batteries were small rechargeable types and I only needed to charge them every couple months. If you are building your own cameras, keep in mind the biggest challenge will be finding non fake 18650 LiIon batteries but then again they are maybe too big for what you want. I don't have the info in front of me, but there are smaller batteries. Send me a PM if you need help selecting a battery.

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@brent13335 See the Pi docs at https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/configuration.html

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@john_b With regards to your 'slow' comment, what ethernet cable class are you using, if it is old class 4 or less it may be slow, I just bought 20 ft of CAT 6 6GB cable for  $30. Also is the USB hub powered, and is it at least USB 3.2 Gen 1? Even better if Thunderbolt 4 (not sure what that is in USB 3 speak, it's so confusing) Just remember your speed will be whatever the slowest part is and that includes the computer USB and the guts of the PC.

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My personal scorecard is now 1 PC hardware fix (circa 1982), 1 open source fix (at age 82), and 2 zero day bugs in a major OS.


   
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@zander Thanks so much. I will read the links and keep working on this.


   
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@brent13335 Here are a couple of ideas re batteries. I am very sure the batteries in my name brand security cameras were rechargeable size N batteries. Here are a couple from Amazon.ca

https://amz.run/9G6l and https://amz.run/9G6m

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@zander Thanks, This is the usual thing that kills me.  Most people probably have no trouble with ssh. I get the connection but then at the password it denies me. I spent all my time just trying to do a basic thing and run out of time. I think if I had an experienced person with me for a few minutes they would laugh and point out the problem. AI is helpful but after a couple of hours using it to try to help I gave up. I keep plugging and unplugging the monitor & keyboard to troubleshoot. No idea so far. Some kind of firewall issue outside of my understanding? I'll keep starting over as energy permits.


   
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@brent13335 I am unsure what is confusing you. Let's start over. Use the 'Raspberry Pi Imager' to create a new TF(uSD) card.

After you select the card type. which OS or file, and the target device, you will see the prompt in the first picture below. Click EDIT Settings. Now you will see something like the 2nd pic. Fill out the fields. WRITE down the Hostname, password and user id. On the SERVICES tab enable Password authentication as seen in pic 3. The other tabs and fields should be obvious.

After you burn the card, inserrt it and boot. Once the boot process is done (about 30 secs) try the ssh command. If it does not connect, try again, sometimes booting takes longer. See pic 4 for the ssh command. Substitute rca for the user you entered in pic 1, also substitute Pi02-1 with the Hostname you entered in pic 1, leave .local, that is a standard. When promptred, enter the password and click enter. You will not see the password being entered on the screen, just enter it and click enter. If it doesn't work, I will eat my mouse.

PLEASE let me know how it went, if it does not work, we can try zoom or similar so I can watch what is happening.

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Posted by: @winston65

I have no idea if this the correct place to post this. If it is not Admin please delete. First many thanks to Dronebot. With him I would never gotten the app installed. My problem:

I come from many decades Windows use. I know just enough linux to be dangerous. After successful install, I found myself looking at setup menu that I had no what it meant.

I can't find a users guide, nor is there a help menu. I want to know more and use the app, but don't know where to look. Is there a source of info for very green users?

I missed your post before. Exactly what 'app' are you talking about? Do a google of 'linux commands' to get a few million ideas. Some key commands are 'man app-name' that is the online MANual. Read the onscreen instructions, IIRC, the arrow keys scroll back and forth, space is a page, Return is one line, Q is quit.

Another command is 'apropos' as in 'apropos (some concept)' you will get a list of any appropriate commands. If the list is long, the space, reurn, arrow keys, Q are operational. In *nix we use many primitive functions to perform tasks so you will see common interfaces repeated. That man interface is really from the more or less or head or tail commands. man all of those to begin to get a 'feel' for *nix.

Summary of your first useful commands.

apropos (an idea)

man (a command like apropos)

tail file (display end of file, if open it will continue to update, we often use it to watch a log file of debug info)

head file (same as tail but start at the beginning of the file)

more and less are just special versions of tail BUT they have lot's of sub-commands, and each specializes in one direction. Can you guess which is which?

NOTE 99.999% of all *nix commands have a help option as well as man, it is normally of the cmd -h type, but can be cmd --h or cmd with no args. Use man cmd to find out.

I hope that gets you started, after those basics, try out all the options of the ls (dir list) cmd. Then maybe learn how to save your favourite ls options so you don't need to enter them.

Remember, the wizards use the command line.

Any questions just post or PM.

 

 

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Hardware - Expert in 1401, 360, fairly knowledge in PC plus numerous MPU's & MCU's
Major Languages - Machine language, 360 Macro Assembler, Intel Assembler, PL/I and PL1, Pascal, Basic, C plus numerous job control and scripting languages.
My personal scorecard is now 1 PC hardware fix (circa 1982), 1 open source fix (at age 82), and 2 zero day bugs in a major OS.


   
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@zander Hi Ron, I'm back and it actually works fine now. Unfortunately I don't know why it wasn't before. So this ssh just shows the command prompt. But I guess that's all you really need if you know the command you want to use. Sorry to use you time on something so silly and thanks so much for your patience. Just have find where I was and to continue on from where I got side tracked.


   
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