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hisham343
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Hi everybodyΒ 

Iam 50+ cardiologist. When I was few decades younger. I used to disassemble whatever I get my hands on. That stopped with the demands and pressure of the profession. Recently I incountered arduino, and i was fascinated by the board. I had many things in my mind. Iam planning to use the board to record the electronic activities from the heart by surface mapping using multiple electrods. Collecting the signals and send it to another platform for analysis. Also I want to develp a system for beat to beat blood pressure measurement I think arduino has few analog inputs and somewhat slow. What do you think and what other boards can do the job?

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@hisham343

But don't you have state of the art cardiological equipment at your clinic?

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@robotbuilder


Sure I do but sometimes you want to do things that the engineers didn't include in this equipment. Other cause that I want to know how these machines are made and how to develop them the way you want as an end user.


   
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@hisham343Β 

Let us know how it goes and if we can help. Good luck πŸ™‚

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@hisham343 Welcome aboard, you will find lot's of folks to help you here.Β 

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@hisham343Β 

Will be interested in your progress.Β  There are some people here that have coding experience.

https://create.arduino.cc/projecthub/protocentral/measure-spo2-heart-rate-and-bp-trends-bpt-using-arduino-bcc316

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@robotbuilder He might also want to check out what Apple is doing with 'just' a watch.

First computer 1959. Retired from my own computer company 2004.
Hardware - Expert in 1401, and 360, fairly knowledge in PC plus numerous MPU's and MCU's
Major Languages - Machine language, 360 Macro Assembler, Intel Assembler, PL/I and PL1, Pascal, Basic, C plus numerous job control and scripting languages.
Sure you can learn to be a programmer, it will take the same amount of time for me to learn to be a Doctor.


   
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The problem is, not all ptients whom in need for recording their EKG can afford an Apple watch. I am thinking of a very economic solution. By recording one to six leads by a small battery powered device and send the recording to a mobile phone via Bluetooth. And then the patient will send this EKG to me. This device is already in the market but still expensive.


   
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@hisham343 I wasn't suggesting they buy an Apple watch, just use it as a model of what is possible without sticky leads. Of course if you wil have sticky leads then it is far less portable but 6 leads is a lot better than Apples one. What country are you making this for?

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@hisham343 Hi hisham. Do you have some write up of what you want your program to do? Like "measure heart beat for 3 minutes and send the data to a website?" or " measure blood pressure and turn on a red light if it is above 90 and turn on a green light if is is below?"

Have you used an arduino to do anthing yet? Have you used the hobbyist sensors that are common like the movement sensor, or the distance sensor?

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@hisham343Β 

Will be interested in your progress.Β  There are some people here that have coding experience.

https://create.arduino.cc/projecthub/protocentral/measure-spo2-heart-rate-and-bp-trends-bpt-using-arduino-bcc316

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I have seen this project. I think its too complicated for a very simple already available device in very affordable price. What this project really need is to upgrade this device to a beat by beat blood pressure measuring device using the pulse arrival time as a principle. And I am planning to experiment with this principle and make the device for clinical use in patients with nurocardiogenic syncope undergoing head up tilt table test.


   
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@hisham343 I wasn't suggesting they buy an Apple watch, just use it as a model of what is possible without sticky leads. Of course if you wil have sticky leads then it is far less portable but 6 leads is a lot better than Apples one. What country are you making this for?

Actually the available devices just use a stainless steel plates to get contact with the patients right and left index fingers (without the sticky stuff) and they use an additional electrode which contact the patients left thigh. To constrcuct a 6 lead EKG.Β 

https://omronhealthcare.com/products/kardia-mobile-ekg-ac009uac/?utm_source=cj&utm_medium=affiliate&cjevent=95c2b4fad24b11ec82518c340a18050c

But not available or affordable here in Egypt.


   
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@hisham343 Hi hisham. Do you have some write up of what you want your program to do? Like "measure heart beat for 3 minutes and send the data to a website?" or " measure blood pressure and turn on a red light if it is above 90 and turn on a green light if is is below?"

Have you used an arduino to do anthing yet? Have you used the hobbyist sensors that are common like the movement sensor, or the distance sensor?

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Hi ElizaΒ 

I am thinking of a very economic solution. By recording one to six leads by a small battery powered device. When the patient touches two electrods on that device and send the recording to a mobile phone via Bluetooth.


   
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@hisham343 Yes, but Apple watch (I have one) does it with only the back of the watch and some lights so there are some even easier ways to do it.

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Major Languages - Machine language, 360 Macro Assembler, Intel Assembler, PL/I and PL1, Pascal, Basic, C plus numerous job control and scripting languages.
Sure you can learn to be a programmer, it will take the same amount of time for me to learn to be a Doctor.


   
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@hisham343 Yes, but Apple watch (I have one) does it with only the back of the watch and some lights so there are some even easier ways to do it.

I think for apple watch demand that you touch the knob with the right index finger while wearing the watch on left wrist. That means it records the potentials between the knob and whatever touching your left wrist. Its the same principle but in an elegant way 😀


   
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