PS - Kind of hoping the electronic experts @davee, @inst-tech will chime in and tell us why or to at least get over it... that it's made in China.  Kind of like a form of Reverse Polish Notation... different set of logic behind it. 😋 inq 

@ing,

I suspect that the reason that the boards are designed with pull-ups or pull downs is because in this case of the ESP01, and esp8266nodeMCU's, they would be require to run in normal operation. As you can see from the schematics that Swiss Guy, (and others) have provided. You must pull the RST high to enable the board to run normally. So my guess is that the vast majority of users will be using that mode.. and those more adventurist users will proceed with due diligence in the re-configuration of the boards to use the various sleep modes.

I do not confess to know what the designers really intended.. but it makes sense to me anyway..

regards,

LouisR 

Once again my language use gets me in difficulty. In your Wiki link the entry for ESP8266 has these words in the 2nd para

The chip was popularized in the English-speaking maker community in August 2014 via the ESP-01 module, 

I read that as an ESP-01 IS an ESP8266.

BTW, cute car.

And it should appeal to your inner geek

 

 

The car could last for in excess of 500,000km but you need to be mechanically sympathetic and if you are, you will look after your engine and transmission by weekly checks on oils and coolant. Change engine oil every 6 months, transmission oils yearly. Don`t drive at less than 1500rpm or more than 4000rpm.

@davee Ok, as long as youj are agreeing the ESP-01 is an ESP8266 I am good.

Nearly ... 🤨 🤨 

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I own a Nissan Micra with a 1.0 litre engine

A 1.0 litre engine is Not a Nissan Micra

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I could buy an ESP-01 with an ESP8266 microcontroller on the board, from Amazon

An ESP8266 is Not an ESP-01

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Apologies for trying to have the last say, Dave

no response needed or wanted though.

re: @davee FYI ESP-01 is an ESP8266 https://amz.run/7IhY . Different market segments different packaging.

Sorry, I am sure this will look like nit-picking, but ...

The esp8266 is a surface mount microcontroller, about 6mm square package with about 32 pins.

The ESP-01 is one of many boards and modules which incorporate an ESP8266 alongside other parts to make a more readily usable product.

Wikipedia has a summary of some of them at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP8266

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IMHO The considerable range of boards and modules incorporating the ESP8266 is both a blessing and a curse.

It is a blessing, in that enables convenient access to a device whose physical size presents challenges, and whose application often requires extra resources, like memory, crystal oscillators, that can be conveniently purchased as a 'package deal' that is far cheaper than could be obtained separately in small quantities by people in our position, and without having to spend a long time wiring up 'standard' configurations.

The curse is that many of these boards and modules are not well documented, and consequently tend to be misunderstood. Even those boards and modules that get 'above average' levels of documentation are frequently misrepresented by other vocal people who have failed to comprehend the significance of the information available from the definitive sources, i.e. the manufacturers, assuming it is up-to-date and accurate.

Much of the last few days discussion has revolved around boards and modules containing an ESP8266, but virtually none of the tricky and contentious points have been down the ESP8266 itself, but rather the 'extra' components and wiring built into the modules and boards to support the device.

So I feel it is important to understand the structure, and hence, as a lifelong 'detail addict', I try to explain it. I understand that others may find my obsessions infuriating, but all I can do is sympathise, apologise and try to help them.

Best wishes and take care, Dave

  I don't know of any definitive definitions, but in my opinion, a board with 0.1 inch pins for push on wire connections, and a USB socket for connection to an IDE to DEVELOP code, etc. is not generally suitable for incorporating in a commercial end-product, but is useful for prototyping both hardware and software, so qualifies for the general description of a development board.

Most of the ESP32 and ESP8266 boards discussed on this forum would fall in this category, but the modules for both ESP8266 and ESP32 with the castellated board outlines would not.

Most of the chip manufacturer's (TI, Analog Devices, ST micro, etc.) also produce development boards that broadly fit similar definitions, albeit some chips (e.g. high performance operational amplifiers) are hardware only based, and do not need USB + software IDE support, but will still incorporate features to make them easier to use on a bench.

Development boards are usually only sold (or donated if you appear likely to create a product that will use large quantities of the chip) to people who are intending to use it as a model to find out about a chip and as a head start towards prototyping a product.

Traditionally, such boards have only been made in small quantities, with explicit conditions that they are NOT intended to be incorporated or directly used as products in their own right. I think chip manufacturers were producing such development boards long before microprocessors were invented.

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Of course, some such products are now being sold to hobbyists, etc. who may look at them as end-user products, but this really just a sideline business that has been expanded, particularly by little-known companies in China, plus a few others like Adafruit who have taken advantage of the changing circumstances enabling new products, plus the disappearance of concerns like Heathkit and RadioShack.

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Certain well-known products, most obviously Arduinos and the Raspberry Pi 1-5 family, have effectively created a new market trend, with boards that incorporate both the development board features, whilst also aiming at certain end-user and specialist manufacturing markets.

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By contrast to all of the above, a board or module designed to be soldered to a 'motherboard', with minimal or no immediate support for prototyping connections or connection to a software develpment IDE, is effectively a 'component' for manufacturing, and definitely not a development board in its own right. It is intended to be shipped in volume, to other manufacturers who will incorporate it into their products.

Typical examples of the latter are the ESP32 and ESP8266 modules with castelated board outlines for production line soldering onto a larger motherboard, such as the ESP-12F that @Inq has been testing. Another example would be the Raspberry Pi Compute Module.

In addition, the technique is increasingly being adopted by other chip manufacturers, such as AMD/Xilinx for FPGA modules, where high pin count BGA FPGAs are combined with memory, oscillators, and so on to form firmware defined computational blocks that can be built into servers and visual recognition applications.

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Of course, we all have different experiences and backgrounds, so I appreciate you may have different views. I do not pretend my description above is definitive, but merely a description of what I have observed. I hope itis informative.

Best wishes and take care my friend, Dave