ok, so is there a way i/we can complete verification that the shelly is "working" ? i.e. that my browser will not reject the ip address I send as "not found"?
tks byron
on my iphone its settings > wifi and the I choose 'other' to search of all wifi's and on my Android phone its settings > wifi and then choose scan.
You should then see a Shelly1-xxxxx network to connect to. Again you will not see the Shelly1 on your current home network and cannot connect to it through your browser until you have firstly connected to the Shelly1 network in place of your home network. Then you configure the Shelly and set your phone back to your home network.
And just to note, now I glance at the installation instructions, the instructions seem to think you will be setting the Shelly1 up via an iPhone or Android phone. See the step 3 in the setting up instructions. Once the Shelly knows all about your home network (by you configuring it by connecting your phone to its wifi access point) then it will get a home network address from your router and you should then be able to test out your shelly by using the apps you downloaded and also connect to it from your browser.
I was in the middle of a replay and the page went away. Now I can't see a couple of postings from you that I was replying to. Anyway, on my cellphone settings > wifi I now see our printers and this one: shelly 1 - E8DB84D62772. So the shelly is "seen" - now what should I do next?
Frank
Connect your phone to the shelly 1 - E8DB84D62772 network 😀. Then, as per instructions, you should then be able to
Type 192.168.33.1 into the address field of your browser (the browser on you phone) to load the web interface of Shelly.
and follow on with the instructions in the
General - Home Page
part of the setting up instructions.
You are now getting real close to getting it all set up now and will soon be deserving a nice cup of tea. Im turning in for the night and I will pick up any more posts in the morning. Come to think of it, maybe stop for a cuppa first before ploughing on will be a good idea and celebrate finding the Shelly Access Point (the shelly 1 - E8DB84D62772 network - an unexpectedly long name but hey ho long or short they are all good) 👍
Good morning
I typed in the ip to my cellphone browser and after a long delay the browser said:
This site can't be reached
192.168.33.1 took too long to respond
Lets chat when you have time
frank
On no, thats disappointing. And its not morning, but I popped out of bed as I did not switch my W10 pc off and its fan is a bit noisy and my wife can hear it down the corridor! So no response would indicate the most obvious reason is you are not connected to the Access Point or you put the address in incorrectly. Satisfy yourself that you did connect to the shelly1 network and not your printer or normal home network. Apart from a list of networks your phone can see it should tell you which one its actually connected to. Maybe it diverted itself to the network with the strongest signal or something. But its best to check you are 100% sure you are connected to the Shelly AP. You should not be able to browse to 'google' for example, the only thing you should be able to do is connect to the shelly when connected to the Shelly AP.
I hope for better news in the morning 😀 Goodnight for now
All I did was start the browser and enter 192.168.33.1 in the URL window. Nothing happened for minutes and then I saw the timeout message pop up. see u tomorrow or whenever your not busy. I know it is progress to see the shelly in the phones wifi devices list but there must be something else wrong that we are not seeing. g'nite
frank
All I did was start the browser and enter 192.168.33.1 in the URL window.
Well if that was truly all you did then of course you could not connect to the Shelly. The vital step 1 is that you connect to the Shelly Access Point. What steps did you take to prove to yourself you are actually connected to the Shelly and not still connected to you home router?
I thought that the first steps (when NOT using shelly cloud app) were:
* put shelly jumper to 12v
* supply 12v to shelly
* verify that shelly is seen in cellphone wifi list
* send 192.168.33.1 with cellphone browser
I had a hard time falling asleep last night thinking what about port 80? - does it have to be setup? - don't things have to be told to the router? etc.
From the user manual pdf ( I can't read the small font in the one in the shelly box) it seemed that one could choose to setup by connecting to the web browser built into the shelly 1. So I thought one starts as I did above, receives a menu back in response, and goes from there via the menu options.
I guess this is what happens when I don't have a clue about the mechanical, electrical, and protocol designs of a network. I don't even really "understand" the shelly user guide.
Frank
Hey Frank, don't loose sleep of it, all the electronics malarky is meant to be fun 😀. I think it just needs a 'penny to drop' and you will soon be kicking yourself for missing the obvious.
So in your steps you outlined above there is a missing step. It the step after you have seen the Shelly is in a list of wifi networks your cellphone can see. And that step is to actually select the network and make sure your cellphone is now using the Shelly wifi network and not your normal wifi network
When I look at my cellphone I see a list of networks. My network is called Fritz and Fritz has a green tick along side it to show this is the network I am connected to. Other Networks I see are Fritz.guest (and this is the one visitors to my house are allowed to connect to use the internet and this network does not allow connection to any other device on my network) and also sky12d68f which is a network my sky tv box creates to allow other TV's to connect to this network to allow multiple TV to connect to the sky box. If I had a Shelly in access mode I would also see something like Shelly1-xxxxx.
I would then have to connect my cellphone to Shelly1-xxxx so that it no longer connects to Fritz. Shelly1-xxx would have the green tick. One thing you may have to be careful of. I can see a setting that says 'Ask to join networks' I have selected this option (so its a yes) and I have to confirm to my phone the network I manually select. Otherwise the cellphone may automatically select the network (the Access Point) for itself maybe based on the strongest network signal. You have to make sure as to which network (or Access Point) the cellphone is really connected to.
Now when I'm connected to the Fritz AP, which is my router, and the router has access to the internet I can go into my cellphones browser and look at the internet. (e.g. google). If I'm successfully connected to the Shelly AP then I'm not connected to the internet or anything else on my home network. I can no longer google (though the google page may still display due to caching, but new searches will not work so a good confirmation I'm no longer on my home network).
So when the Shelly AP is up and running then you can go to the next step of connecting to it - by putting 192.168.33.1 into the browser of your cellphone (the cellphone being the only device you have connected to the Shelly Access Point)
Then you are into configuring the Shelly1. A screen of settings will be displayed in your browser. What you are configuring is to turn the Shelly from Access Point mode to Client Mode so that the Shelly can be a client to your home network just like your cellphone was before you changed it to be a client of the Shelly network. You configure the details of your home network in your Shelly. Then a power off and on and your shelly will be connected to your home network. The next trick maybe is to find the ip address your Shelly client has been given by you home network router. However the Shelly Apps will search your network and discover the Shelly for your and add it to their list of Shelly devices.
One of the worst distortions of what I thought I knew was "multiple networks" - I thought there was the public network and the wifi network. And the most obvious thing I missed was the cellphone list of things. The heading was "wifi networks" rather than "wifi devices" and I totally ignored the word networks, and was completely surprised that the shelly device was a network.
The more I read in your replay after the "need to manually connect to the shelly network" the more confused I became, so I'm just going to take that missing step and see if I can get the shelly configured as it needs to be and get relay on/off http commands working from the cellphone.
Then I'll start trying to figure out how my PC app going to get http on/off commands to the shelly network. I "know" it must be possible. I'll be surprised and disappointed if network addressing doesn't have the ability to specifically send http relay on/off commands to the Shelly network. I would have assumed that there are ways to "wrap" and http command in a layer that identifies the destination (shelly) network. Maybe IP addressing can be that specific?
Anyway, I'm going to keep plugging to complete the shelly reconfiguration and then the http on/off commands to control the relay circuit.
Then I'll try to re read the rest of your post and understand as much as possible - seems there are a lot of issues yet to be resolved.
I am going to stick with the single shelly until I am able to control the shelly relay from my pc app.
Tks for being there - I'd still be staring at the shelly delivery box if hadn't run across you Byron.
Frank
Good to hear that progress is being made 👍
Don't forget that once you have configured your Shelly to be in 'Client Mode' and you have given it the SSID and password of your home network, then you will need to either connect to the Shelly with the Shelly App or use a browser. The Shelly Network (or Access Point) will disappear when its in client mode. So make sure at this point you set your cellphone back to your home network.
After configuration the Shelly will pick up a network address from your home network router. You need to find the address that is currently assigned to the Shelly. I find it by using a network scanner. You can download free network scanners for your cellphone and/or your PC. The one I use runs on my mac computer so it would not be any use to you. These network scanners list all the network devices on your network, so you should see the addresses of you PC, cellphone, printers and your Shelly (oh and your router).
Its sometimes a bit of a guess as to which address each device is assigned to, but after some trial an error you will find it. Then you can use your browser of your cellphone (now its reconnected to you home network) or your PC or some other device, it does not matter, and type the on or off commands I gave in some previous post a day or so back into the address bar of your browser. If you have wired up a 12v light to the Shelly you can then switch it on and off to test all is well.
And don't forget the network address (the ip address) of the Shelly1 , and indeed all your other network connected devices can change if your devices are powered down and up again. Your router will have settings to fix the ip address used to be the same one each time, which you would certainly want to do for the Shelly. So I hope you can remember how to use your browser to connect to your router to make the appropriate settings. 😎
Your on a roll, and its all downhill now 😀
Well, small eureka - I selected shelly network and connected - then sent the IP via browser and voila, shelly 1 interface popped up. Some of the command buttons are self explanatory, but I haven't figured out how to change mode to WiFi Client Mode (CM). Do I send a command via text from the browser or what?
"WiFi Client Mode (CM): allows the Device to connect to an available WiFi network. In order to switch to this mode, the User must enter the name (SSID) and the password to connect to a local WiFi network. After entering the correct details, press Connect."
* Where do I "enter the name (SSID) and the password to connect to a local WiFi network"
* Can I NOT have a password (leave it blank) - I hate to have to use a PW from now on.
* once I change the shelly 1 device to Client Mode, will I need to use a different method to bring up the shelly on board interface next time I connect?
Frank